Racism: not always the Evil Image – Sometimes the Mirror Image!

Because I dropped the “R” word in my last post I feel obligated to open a door to further discuss racism and Christian organizations. What is a racist? Who is a racist? What is racism? We would all agree the people who rode horses and burned crosses while wearing bed sheets and pointy hats and mask are racist. We would all agree that people who, (because of race) lynch others, deny students access to schools and are full of hate – are racist. But can racism exist in other forms that are not so visible or violent? This is an issue that is not limited to just the situation some are addressing in the local context, I want to delve into this because of its far-reaching implications.

First of all, allow me to revisit what I said. I addressed what I see as a biblical precedent of demonstrating doctrinal tolerance in regards to “non-essential” issues. Scripture seems to show Christ and the disciples were very aware and sensitive to culture. Specifically we had looked at (1) the roles of women in the church and (2) the concern with eating meat that had been sacrificed to idols. Then I wrote:

  • “The “Friends” rejection of this biblical practice (allowing diverse doctrinal opinions) is part of the reason some see them as racist. By rejecting diverse – yet scriptural – beliefs and practices they de facto embrace and perpetrate white privilege through their power and theology.”

I didn’t call them racist. I just pointed out the fact that some believe they are. I acknowledge this is a broad and sweeping generalization, and that some who are part of the belief system the “friends” embrace, may have been shocked to hear this. If by saying this I offended and falsely accused, please forgive me. I apologize. But please listen and engage me in this discussion.

My comment was not intended as an epitaph (ie. “you dirty racist….”) but as an adjective. Just as you may say someone is a New Yorker, (if you live in New York) or carefree (if you demonstrate that characteristic). Some see the “friends” as racist because their teachings and their practice demonstrate racism. That is not an accusation – but a statement of some people’s opinion. Should the evidence support the opinions, then perhaps it is a fact that needs to be faced – not fled.

The question then, is not: is it “nice” or not? – the question we should seek to answer is “is there any evidence to support this opinion”?

So what is racism? Racism has been defined in many ways – but generally it is seen as the belief that one race is superior to another. Some use the definition “prejudice plus power”. This definition recognizes that racism is not just acting on your racial prejudices but combining that prejudice with the power to enforce your beliefs on others.

I would like to challenge us to see that racism is like any sin, and the only way to begin to be free of it is to confess it. It should not be a “feared epitaph” we run from, but a serious issue that we seek to weed-out wherever it is found. I have been guilty of racism. I seek to live without it. But because it is subtle and dynamic I can fall back into racist thoughts and actions without awareness, accountability, and discipline.

Racism ruins individuals, relationships, organizations, and weakens the church by making some (in most cases people of color) feel intimidated, fearful, inferior or even just unwelcome. Often the dominate culture/race is unaware they are doing this, and often they do it by doing “nothing” at all. This demonstrates that while racism can be active, it can also be passive. By NOT doing something – you become a passive accomplice in the perpetuation of racist acts or systems. Racist systems often do “good things”, but their very policies and structure exclude and alienate many, while those of the dominant race and culture may not even be aware of this inequality.

This is why I also wrote “By rejecting diverse – yet scriptural – beliefs and practices they de facto embrace and perpetrate white privilege through their power and theology.” I do not think this is from a conscious desire to “hurt” or be “mean”. The teachings and practices of so many (not just at this institution) continue to reinforce the idea that if it isn’t white – it’s not quite right. This passive acceptance of unbiblical prejudice continues to make my sisters and brothers from other races and cultures believe they are excluded from the “mainstream”, believe they are not acceptable unless they deny their identity and accommodate to the white-cultural standards. Those euro-centric standards are not always more biblical, but many institutions they are more socially valued.

So is their any evidence to support the belief that some of the “friends” – (and countless others in the American church) are racist?

Is there evidence their actions and beliefs help to maintain racial divisions? Is their evidence their beliefs work to maintain white power and privilege – rather than opening up the door of the church where all come equally to the foot of the cross?
Consider these concerns:

Why have many of them fought colleges and churches in their efforts to become more diverse and welcoming for the last 20 plus years? Why is it that while they charge “the lack of biblical basis” for intentionally working to make a more racially/culturally diverse community – they have not listened to the clear biblical teaching that has been given?

Why is it that some of them have belittled the concerns of students of color in the classroom and these students have often left institutions prematurely and bitter? Why is it that they are seeking to return colleges to an era when the numbers of students of color were extremely low and the graduation rates were even lower?

Why have they (NWC & KTIS) intentionally removed all most all voices of color from their radio stations ? Is it because they were more concerned with how “Linda” (the composite listener – “a 40 something – white – soccer mom”) feels than that they were with offending and betraying the Latino, Asian, and African-Americans in the community?

Why is it so many traditionalists dismiss the voices who try to speak out in love, and yet with urgency, as being extremists?

In the Paul’s first letter to the church at Corinth he talks about the church as a body. He says that when one part rejoices the whole should rejoice, and when one part is in pain, the whole should feel the pain.

How can we feel another’s joy or pain if we are not even connected?  And can we ever listen to brothers or sisters when we are we too busy trying to defend “our” brand of truth?

18 thoughts on “Racism: not always the Evil Image – Sometimes the Mirror Image!”

  1. Racism is an excellent topic!
    I grew up in a tiny town in Upstate New York with a population of 350 people. There wasn’t much racism in that little town but then, we were all white. But when we went down into the city, Utica not NYC, there was obvious racism. There was an area of the city that white people didn’t go into.
    The interesting part about this is that we lived in the North, you know the part of the country that fought against slavery. We were taught that we freed the slaves because slavery was wrong. People should not be treated that way. Treated what way? As slaves? As second or third class citizens? As somehow less than us whites? I never understood the whole equal but separate ideology, that didn’t make any sense. If you’re equal why should you be kept separate? That’s just dumb.
    I’ll give away my age for sake of discussion. I was born in 1961 and I lived the first twelve years of my life in Upstate New York and then my family moved to Florida. Big culture shock.
    So, we move to Florida and I go to school, and there are people of all different backgrounds and races. If I thought anything about that fact it was, “This is COOL!”
    When I was young in NY I heard the “N” word a lot but then I also heard less than flattering names for Italians, Irish, Polish people. As a kid I didn’t understand it as racism exactly, I thought of it as more like “man” talk. That’s the way men talked, they called each other names and then laughed about it. I didn’t realize that African Americans were treated all that different, I was a kid and I didn’t really have any frame of reference.
    So, now I’m in elementary school in the urban South and I’m classmates with all different races of people. I’m loving it. So many interestingly different people.
    I guess I figured out that my father was racist when I asked if I could ask one of my new friends over. My friends name was Abraham. My father caught on pretty fast, “You aren’t bringing no “N” into my house!” That caused me a whole lot of thought and deliberation. It taught me a couple things real quick, 1. my Dad was racist, 2. racism doesn’t make any sense, 3. I didn’t want to be racist.
    Throughout school, I had friends of all colors and persuasions. I wasn’t super popular but I was one of those kids who got along with most everybody.
    Fast forward quite a few years, so that this doesn’t turn into a novel.
    I’m in my late 30s and I go to the Police Academy. I know kind of late in life for that career move but anyways. One of the classes they teach is Cultural Diversity, I’m excited. I love Cultural Diversity! I love people of all kinds, I find differences interesting and I have realized that differences have more to do with individuals than what race they are. I’ve also figured out that the “Black” race is kind of diverse in itself. There are people from all over the world that are “Black”. I also find Asian people interesting and German and anybody who is unique. So Cultural Diversity training should be interesting, right?
    I go into the classroom and there is this older African American gentleman who seems real nice who is going to be teaching the class. All seems good, I’m excited.
    We start to get into the lesson and I notice that we’re only talking about one race, African Americans. That didn’t seem very culturally diverse to me but, hey, I’ll go along. Then he starts talking about how both races are human beings and should be treated the same way, ok, that makes sense. Then he says, A”For the rest of our class I want you to come up with positive things about “black” people. I asked, do you have a particular Black person in mind? He patiently says, “no, I want you to list things that Black people do or that they are good at that are positive.”
    Okay, sometimes I’m a little slow on the uptake but I just wasn’t getting this.
    1. His definition of Cultural Diversity was mainly, let’s learn about Black people.
    2. He says we shouldn’t have preconceived ideas about people based on the color of their skin.
    3. He now wants us to make generalizations about people because of the color of their skin.
    I sarcastically asked if he meant, Black people have good rhythm? (I thought this would get me kicked out of the class but I asked anyways because he was starting to tick me off.) He said, “Exactly, or that they cook tasty food…..”
    I refused to do the assignment, I told him that if he wanted me to describe the positive attributes of a particular person, I’d be glad to but that he had just gotten done telling us we shouldn’t make generalizations about people because of their race and now he was asking us to do just that.
    To be honest, I thought that the assignment was a giant ruse and that after everybody had done their lists he was going to show how racist everybody was by making the list in the first place. I was wrong.

    I know, this has turned into a lengthy rant but my point is that Racism is a simple concept, really it is. If you think or act in a certain way because somebody is of a particular race, you are being racist. There’s tons of little minutia you can find that will compliment that basic tenet but it is what it is.
    I think racism is a great topic for the discussions here because it’s easier to understand than theological differences, and although racism has it’s points of emotionally charged rhetoric, it doesn’t have the rhetoric that if you believe differently than I do about it, your life is lost and you will forever burn in a fiery hell. (Although, I am of the opinion that treating people badly because of the color of their skin or ancestry should bring a punishment that is similar.)
    Sorry MarQue, I seem to have written a novel after all.

  2. OhMAN!
    And then after all that I leave out my final point.
    Isn’t thinking people are somehow different and/or wrong because of the color of their skin and thinking that people are somehow different and/or wrong because they have differing theological rhetoric similar?
    One of the best things I’ve learned in my life is that you can learn something from anyone. Maybe we should be trying to learn more about our faith instead of tearing others down because they believe something a little different.

  3. from a little white girl from FL here: I was in college at the University of FL and had just had my little boy. My husbnad was at work, I needed to take the dog out for a walk and I went outside baby and dog in tow. Across from our apartment was a bus stop for the campus bus route. A very well dressed, handsome dark skinned man stood waiting on for the bus. About this time, a jacked up pick up truck rounds the corner and the white male driver yells out the window, “N*GG*R!!!!!” as he peels around the corner. Horrified at what just happened, I searched my brain for something I could say or do that would erase the pain the young man must have felt. As my dog pulled on the leash, my new baby squirmed, and my eyes quickly welled up with tears, I yelled over to the man, “excuse me sir,” I waited for him to acknowledge me. He made eye contact with me and I yelled across the street, “I am so sorry that just happened to you…” He replied, “Thank you ma’am.”

    The reason for outlining this story is to not show how wonderful I was for “righting” the wrong that had been done to this man, but to point out how degrading it must have been to that young college student that day. I have NEVER had explitives yelled at me while innocently minding my own business because I have freckles, boobs, brown hair, or fair skin. I think things like that happen more than we “whites” know, and it is a tragedy. To be attacked because of a physical attribute you have that you have no control over must be one of the hardest things a person deals with in this life. I think before the next time that someone assumes they are are not a racist, just stop to think about how many times this has happened to your fellow brother….

  4. Racism is such a tired topic for me because it is so blatantly wrong and ridiculous to judge someone without knowing them personally. The Bible offers rebukes and teachings on the matter of prejudice time after time. However, there are systems within the U.S. that that favor certain people over others and there is definitely something behind that prejudice.

    With regard to KTIS this is something that I have thought of for quite some time. Why does the most prolific Christian music radio station in Minnesota rarely if ever play black gospel, hip hop or latin music. It’s also a good point you have Marque that there aren’t personalities that sound black, latino or asian on KTIS daily.

    Many of my friends who listen to KTIS have expressed the similar desire — to have an hour or two of music dedicated to reaching different demographical groups. DJ Majestek’s Hip Hop Hour, or All Nations’ Pastor Jin Kim’s or Sanctuary’s Pastor Efrem Smith’s sermons on KKMS. Let the diversity out! The people will benefit.

    Racism has to have favoritism behind it. I assume the people at KTIS radio are not being racist by playing music and hosting personalities that appeal to their niche audience. They’re simply using the gifts God has given them to reach a certain target audience they know how to reach.

    Minneapois is a diverse place and has relatively large populations of people from many nations around the wolrd. It’s sad that there’s no latin hour or hip hop show or Hmong music in the weekly programming. It would be good to see an effort by NWC/KTIS — even if the average target audience person “Linda” (40-something white lady) were to be exposed to one song from a different cultural expression of Christ per day. This would do a great deal for removing fears of people who are different from oneself.

    Here’s where I’m coming from with regard to racism; distinction is determined by difference in Spirit and faith. In Galatians 3, you can read that in Christ there is no Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female. If people from every nation and tongue and generation are in heaven, it is going to be a VERY diverse place. Let’s acknowledge the differences in culture and appreciate each member of the body for what he or she adds.

  5. Marque,

    you lay out some great soul searching questions. I don’t know anything about Northwestern and what they are going through but it sounds like there is a real struggle that some have to be open to people of color and the issues of racism.

    I find it very interesting that witht this blog the number of post went down from the number on the previous one. In my interactions with conservative christians they are very comfortable talking in the abstract but when it comes to more concrete issues they don’t know how to engage.

  6. I think that many times people confuse the terms “Racism” and “Prejudice”. Let me first explain that Racism isnt the practice of being Prejudice TOWARDS someone else, it is the practice of believing that your Race is the most superior Race. The interesting thing about that concept is that Race is a construct made mostly by americans. The truth about RACE is that there only is one Race which is the Human Race. There is NO SUCH THING as the “White Race”, there are ONLY “ethnicities” within the “Human Race”. So ironically enough that completely dispels the idea that there are separate “Races”. It simply isnt factual scientifically, biblically, or otherwise. We ALL descended from Adam and Eve and our ethnicities developed over years in different areas in the planet. Simply factual 🙂

    Share that with the BIGOTS and the RACISTS and the PREJUDICIAL folks out there are tell em ta chew on it a lil bit 😉



  7. Here is the definition of Racism: It is a social construct that can only benefit a specific group of people. It benefits those not in the majority, but in the powerful places in society (government positions, leadership positions). Therefore you cannot be Black and be racist in the United States, because it does not benefit Blacks. We do not have political clout or generational wealth to influence any system in this country (schools, music industry, government, fashion industry, anything you name it). Whites can be racist because they control and influence all of the above and more. When that racism is used, of course it is very powerful and destructive.

    When I hear the name KTIS, I get so angry. That is the most Racist “Christian” entity in the entire state of Minnesota. They are no different than the colonial missionaries who came to Africa on behalf of the “White Man’s Burden.” They are no different. They know the race relations between Blacks and Whites in this country. They know that Blacks are not seen in a positive light at all in Minnesota. They know that millions of immigrants and newly arrived foreigners to the U.S. and Minneapolis turn to this station to hear spiritual Christian songs. And they know they can do something about bringing all these people together, and have Blacks seen in a good light. The contributions Blacks have made in this country not only to Gospel music (immense and at the same time unacknowledged) but also the creators of Rock and Roll and Jazz and Pop music.

    I wrote KTIS when I was in High School and wrote them about how incredulous I was to their “ministry.” I wrote them about how mainstream radio stations play R&B and Hip-Hop along with Rock and Pop, so why can’t a Christian station include Gospel music on their playlist. I took my time to write this letter, but I was mad. Years and years, as I child, I loved listening to KTIS but I never heard the same music at my church or in my home. I heard at my home the likes of Shirley Ceasar and Vannessa Bell Armstrong, Fred Hammond and Deitrick Haddon, Kirk Franklin and Walter Hawkins, Virtue and Kelli Williams. The songs they sang took scripture and placed it to soul-stirring melodies and arrangements that even made a grown man, like my father, cry and come to his knees.

    This music is not only a part of American history (which should be shared with the world), but it is also a rich tradition in the body of Christ, the Church of God, the ministry and great Commission that God gave to us. So why am I not hearing this on the radio with the likes of Third Day and Nichole Nordeman, Twila Paris and 4Him? I love all of this music, but why should it be seperate? This is not right. This is shameful and un-Christian.

    So KTIS’ reply to me? Along the lines of, “if we play *blank* type of music we will have to play Christian Rock and then Christian this and then Christian that, and those styles are not what are listeners are tuning in for.” Our listeners? OUR LISTENERS? Do they even know who is listening to their station? KTIS is a racist Christian radio station because they use their power to not only reject other racial groups from being broadcast, but they also paint Christianity in a “white is right” mentality. Their message is that you can only praise God one way, and if it sounds like this, then this is correct. They are not only doing a disservice to Christians statewide, but they are doing a disservice to themselves by perpetuating this “seperate but equal” doctrine that is so obvious in their song selection. If you are in a ministry, especially in America, you have to be cognizant of the people you are reaching and how you are reaching them. Doesn’t the word say “For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you. (1 Cor. 9:19-23, NKJV)”

    May God have mercy on their souls.

    1. thanks for posting such a thoughtful and honest response… It is getting a lot of views – but few people are willing to join this discussion

  8. I think this is a silly argument, to be completely honest. Is K-102 also racist, then? Country music is notoriously white. What about KMOJ? That’s a very black station. I believe with my whole heart that KTIS is not racist. They are a ministry and a radio station at the same time. Ministry tries to reach as many people for Christ as possible. Radio has niche audiences. The line they need to walk is very fine indeed because of this dual identity. If I may make a suggestion, work with Northwestern to start another station that would play more Gospel and other formats that appeal to black listeners. Do not, however, attack or attempt to take down a ministry for these reasons. That is wrong and would have a far more negative impact than any possible positive impact. The Peace of Christ to all of you in 2009.

  9. Hey Pirate – your point is well taken – but a different conclusion is needed
    – country music IS predominately white, r&b IS predominately black

    BUT “Christian music” IS universal – and radio should at least “tip their hat” to – if not embrace this truth –

    Also I would counter that NO ONE is trying to attack or “take down” KTIS – for over 15 years countless people have tried to lovingly steer them
    in a more “KINGDOM” minded direction – they have continually rejected biblical counsel in exchange for the advice of “nitche” marketers

    no one is trying to attack – just hold them (and their college) to the standards they claim to have

  10. This discussion is now generations old, and it doesn’t seem to get any better. The music and format of most stations is for a niche audience, and that makes sense from a marketing strategy. The problem I find with most Christian outlets is that they are boring, unimaginative, and redundant in their formats. Christians are simply afraid to take a stand. Talk to people in the pro life movement and ask how many churches will preach honestly against abortion, or against same sex marriages? Ask your local Christian station how pro active they are in their format that addresses the moral issues in our day, and see what they say. Ask the hard questions and no one wants to participate because they might be accused of creating controversy and controversy is not good for business. In a day when Christian radio could be a prophetic and helpful entity for guiding people through a difficult world we live in, they turn to marketers for help to promote themselves. Christian radio was not designed to sound like everyone else on the dial. Christian radio is an outlet to promote the King and His kingdom in ways that not only encourages the listener, but challenges them to live for Christ. Encouragement and challenge must speak to everyone in the Kingdom and not just a select few. Let’s be honest, niche Christian radio is an economic issue, it’s nickels and noses, and those translate into white middle age women for most Christian music stations.
    Christian radio like the church in America, is a hybrid of what the Bible teaches. What we need today is a few more Martin Luthers to bring a new reformation to the church, let’s get on with His kingdom, and get rid of our sectarian, bi-partisanship, and our segregated theologies.

  11. i feel what you all are saying. Larry, i think you hit it on the head – economics and feel good-ianity. Comfortable Christianity, economically and mentally.

    Pirate, I hear you too. KTIS has done/does great things, and I (so far) don’t think that they are intentionally being racist. Intentionally excluding, perhaps, but not intentionally racist. We whites have ignorance as a part of our white privilege – just as we often don’t know we’re white, we often don’t know we’re being racist. That’s what being born into power and privilege does to people.

    But as Christmasand MarQue point out, whether intentionally or not, KTIS is in a sense declaring that Christianity/Christian music = what they portray. Soft rock, white, semi-affluent, American, comfortable, trendy.

    I understand the marketing/niche stuff, their excuse that it would be hard to play every single style of music, etc etc. So they had to pick their style. But you’re right – by branding it “Christian music station” instead of “Christian soft rock music station” they are making a statement about what Christian music is or should be.

    And what a huge point – they ARE doing a disservice to their target audience too by saying that. There are so many ways to worship Yahweh…if only we could keep learning more we would embrace a fuller view of our God.

  12. I would respectfully disagree with Christmas’ definition of racism. If racism is defined by positions of societal and political power, where and when does the heart and mind come into play? Jesus said in Luke 6:43-45 “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thorn bushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.” From the very words of Jesus, it would seem that racism (one of the evil’s stored up in the heart) is first and foremost a colorblind issue of the heart. And if one attempts to box in the definition of racism in purely economic or political positions, it’s like treating the symptom of a sick man while ignoring the disease that’s destroying his body.

    If one accepts the definition of racism as stated by Christmas, then you also have to accept that the only way racism can ever be defeated, this side of heaven, is by seizing more political and economic power away from the majority (in this case white people) until you make them the minority. If this be the case, it raises a few questions in my mind.

    1) Is it possible to defeat racism when your ultimate goal is to defeat another race?
    2) If those in the minority succeed in becoming the majority, don’t they then carry the label of being racist, and the battle for the top spot starts all over?
    3) How does this model of power brokering for the top spot compare with the truth and example of Jesus Christ?

  13. Mr. B –
    I hear you, but I think you misunderstand Christmas’ point – Racism, as classically defined it PREJUDICE + POWER – in common language we use it much more loosely to define any type of racial hatred or distrust – again in classic definitions that is the “PREJUDICE” part only.

    I’m sure Christmas would agree that all people can demonstrate racial hatred – racial prejudice – and live based on believing racial stereotypes – but the truth is in most cases in America, because of our racial history – the POWER to act on and enforce your prejudice is uniquely given to white people –

    because we are the majority – we do not have to think about race as often, because “white” is viewed as the norm –

    The other issue is that there is INDIVIDUAL racism – acts of the heart against another – but then there is also INSTITUTIONAL racism – the result of a lot of little individual acts accumulated and enforced by the practice and policies of institutions –

    So when we think of organizations who (perhaps with the best intentions and no ill will) continue practices that keep racial segregation, racial barriers, and stereotypes in place – I would call that “institutional racism” …. especially when they’ve been encouraged to change and shown the negative racial effects of their “status quo” policies..

    I also don’t think anything Christmas is saying is about “defeating” another race – and power brokering for the top spot – I think it is more about calling Christians to live above the racialize politics of our society and living out our true calling in Christ – as individual and in institutional manners

  14. Hey people…

    Oh my goodness, I almost forgot about this blog I commented on. I’m reading over the posts today, and this is a great conversation! And I’m reading over mine and I’m like, “WOW!” And I wish I could put this more eloquently in essence…

    I just want to reply to one comment by Mitch B.

    You said,

    “If those in the minority succeed in becoming the majority, don’t they then carry the label of being racist, and the battle for the top spot
    starts all over?”

    And this is precisely the problem with racism There is an unnecessary, irrational fear behind it. Fear that makes the ones in power extremely paranoid. This is the essence of racism. The fear that the minority will one day rise up and become the big, bad scary monster that the victimizers always felt they were.

    This is why racism is so wrong. It keeps people subjugated to fear and hate. But the Word of G-d says that “perfect love casts out all fear.”

    When I talk of racism, I should’ve spoken more clearly: I am most definitely addressing the institutional side to it. No doubt, individuals
    can be racist of all skin tones and ethnicities. What I am talking about though are the beneficiaries of societal and institutionalized racist norms, and I don’t think KTIS is doing anything to start fresh. Its too bad.

    I want to reply to everything here, and I will.

  15. And thank you marQue…I don’t know HOW you get me, but you understand where I am coming form perfectly and thats MUCH appreciated, and so thank you for the clarifications. Right on, I couldn’t say it better. 🙂

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